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Posted 28 July 2010 - 01:08 AM

Discuss strategies/builds for Eredar here, if you wish to create a guide for him, go to the Hero Guides forum to create one.
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 01:44 AM

My favorite of the new heroes, an amazing int semi-carry/ganker. Good range and animation, soloes incredibly well- if farmed and ganks well, carries late.

Disruption functions a lot like Astral, but making 2 images is useful for increased dps. Can use to dodge spells/make self images to damage. A solid pseudo-disable, sets up for harder to aim spells.

Soul Catcher can be amazing- but situational. Low cast range but huge AoE, it chooses random unit within the AoE to have damage amplified. Works wonders if enemy is alone, in lane it may target a creep.

Shadow Poison the bread-and-butter skill. A stackable, AoE, ground-targetable shockwave esque damage over time skill. Aims like Venomous Gale but with at least 2/3x the range. 3 second cooldown, and if you can't wait for DoT to take effect, subskill enables you to cause damage to occur instantly in nuke-form. Deals massive damage with stacks.

Purge is the setup. Stuns, slows, then deals a large chunk of damage. The combo is clear, Disrupt for illusions, soul catch upon appearance, Purge and they can't escape- use Shadow Poison constantly, with it's low cooldown stacking is easy.

This is hero is amazing.
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 01:52 AM

Thoughts on forcestaff on this hero?

I mean how much damage does the illusions deal again? i forgot already..

great counter to AM by burning his mana :D
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 02:06 PM

This guy is so imba. If your allies have a way of clearing creeps, the soul catcher thing will land, and it's over from there. The images are also way too strong. They should just be like regular images, imo.
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 02:18 PM

View PostRuedenor, on 28 July 2010 - 06:52 AM, said:

Thoughts on forcestaff on this hero?

I mean how much damage does the illusions deal again? i forgot already..

great counter to AM by burning his mana :D



IIRC, 60% at max level, pretty imba imo, if that was his last skill, I could deal with that. His Last skill too is effing imba. Debuff? bye bye sven/brood.

Items in this hero? I played him and owned but I don't have a set items, I've tried Bloodstone and Linken.
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 10:45 PM

View PostMr Spam Cham, on 28 July 2010 - 02:18 PM, said:

IIRC, 60% at max level, pretty imba imo, if that was his last skill, I could deal with that. His Last skill too is effing imba. Debuff? bye bye sven/brood.

Items in this hero? I played him and owned but I don't have a set items, I've tried Bloodstone and Linken.


With his skillset he clearly has the power to semi-carry at least late game, Linken's and Bloodstone is serious overkill, Orchids/Linken's seems appropriate, then perhaps some dps.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 02:40 AM

View PostDemonicTrashcan, on 29 July 2010 - 03:45 AM, said:

With his skillset he clearly has the power to semi-carry at least late game, Linken's and Bloodstone is serious overkill, Orchids/Linken's seems appropriate, then perhaps some dps.


What I mean is, I've tried using Linken AND Bloodstone, on seperate games. They seem to both work equally. But I'll try your orchids/linkens combo.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 03:27 AM

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Posted 30 July 2010 - 10:20 AM

My favorite of all the new heroes imo, very versatile, can also carry if needed. Only problem is he has very, VERY low hp, so survivability items are a must. Although I got Lothar's + Desolator on him for the lulz. 50% amplify = pain.
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 08:28 PM

View PostRuedenor, on 28 July 2010 - 01:52 AM, said:

Thoughts on forcestaff on this hero?

I mean how much damage does the illusions deal again? i forgot already..

great counter to AM by burning his mana :D


Ranged Illusions don't burn mana. I don't think his Illusions are too imba, if he uses it on himself he gets a 120% dps boost, but it's only for 6 seconds- and the image's power varies depending on the enemy. I do like how the images automatically attack the targeted hero upon creation- quite useful and reduces micro, helps maximize their short duration.
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 08:29 PM

View PostDemonicTrashcan, on 31 July 2010 - 09:28 AM, said:

Ranged Illusions don't burn mana.


Antimage's illusions burn mana.

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Posted 30 July 2010 - 08:55 PM

View PostJiciimin, on 30 July 2010 - 08:29 PM, said:

Antimage's illusions burn mana.


Ah I see now, had to think about that for a second- thanks for the clarification.
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 09:39 PM

Don't overrate his carry abilities. 6 seconds is indeed too short a duration for images.
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Posted 02 August 2010 - 05:10 AM

View PostFishuman, on 31 July 2010 - 10:39 AM, said:

Don't overrate his carry abilities. 6 seconds is indeed too short a duration for images.

True. Tried him in a game once, using disruption for your team's carry or the other team's carry does increase DPS but it's just too short.

He can harass well in a lane, though same goes for him with him being somewhat a softie.

He's a good ganker, be it with a nuker or a carry hero. Purge is just great.

Disruption's great too when trying to escape or trying to catch up with a hero.

Any items you can recommend on him?
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Posted 02 August 2010 - 09:37 AM

DPS build might be the way to go since he's not that mana dependent..
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Posted 03 August 2010 - 12:36 AM

View PostSigheart, on 02 August 2010 - 06:10 PM, said:

Any items you can recommend on him?

Dagon + Shiva.
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Posted 03 August 2010 - 01:48 AM

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anyways, enemies with bkb will have little trouble killing him since he's softie..

also, I got annoyed when I tped then thrall glimpsed me back to my fountain
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