[死亡音乐家]

Nice ass.

Discuss.

[dylandl]

Since we have to level Shadow Strike for it to become more effective as a slow now, what is a good skill build for her now?

Can it be something like max scream, get 2 levels of blink and then max slow?

Are 2 levels of blink enough?

[Beat Up~!]

Max scream and blink is still the way to go, imo. Blinking every 5 secs is better than a slow.

[neeks.]

I max scream, blink and get level 1 of ss. I don't get my ulti till around 13 or 14.

[死亡音乐家]

Beat Up~!, on 07 November 2009 - 11:02 PM, said:

Max scream and blink is still the way to go, imo. Blinking every 5 secs is better than a slow.

Now that we can scream every time we blink, QOP doesn't really need those extra hits you get in with SS slow. Personally, I take a level of SS sometimes when faced with more hardy opponents or when my team lacks stunners/could do with an extra slow. That SS slow can come in useful for your allies to finish enemies as well.Otherwise, I get stats and beef up my mana pool so as to be able to do a sonic wave and still have mana for blink-screaming.

[Dark Nythe]

Do you guys get Aghanims for her?

[DemonicTrashcan]

Dark Nythe, on 07 November 2009 - 11:26 AM, said:

Do you guys get Aghanims for her?

Yes. I go a Aga, Travels, Necro route, in no particular order, all depending on the game. All though I do occasionally grab Treads, I'm more of a Travels fan.

[Fishuman]

I don't see how a shitty 10% slow dot spell is going to make any difference early game, so no point taking one level of it and leaving it at that for a long time. Instead, I'd have both Scream and Blink maxed by 8, then Shadow Strike afterwards. Level one Sonic Wave is shit. I take first level of it at 10.

[regulator_mk]

DemonicTrashcan, on 07 November 2009 - 09:42 AM, said:

Yes. I go a Aga, Travels, Necro route, in no particular order, all depending on the game. All though I do occasionally grab Treads, I'm more of a Travels fan.

Treads is such cheap mana now that it's hard to say no to it. And necro is one of those items that's really only good if you get it fast. Later the summons are too easy to kill, and the mana burn is less significant against heroes with big mana pools. Guinsoo is the much better support item to get late game, as carry heroes become more powerful. Also necro rush no longer makes sense for QoP, since she no longer has a big slow early game. And if you're blinking, your summons can't keep up.

Fishuman, on 07 November 2009 - 10:27 AM, said:

I don't see how a shitty 10% slow dot spell is going to make any difference early game, so no point taking one level of it and leaving it at that for a long time. Instead, I'd have both Scream and Blink maxed by 8, then Shadow Strike afterwards. Level one Sonic Wave is shit. I take first level of it at 10.

How does level 1 shadow strike sonic wave suck? It does 300 damage... You're more likely to get a kill with that than 1 more level of blink...

EDIT: typo -- I typed shadow strike in instead of sonic wave... 1 shadow strike does suck

This post has been edited by regulator_mk: 07 November 2009 - 08:04 PM

[Seo Hyun]

regulator_mk, on 08 November 2009 - 07:09 AM, said:

How does level 1 shadow strike suck? It does 300 damage... You're more likely to get a kill with that than 1 more level of blink...

I agree, getting at least one level of SS is okay and you could leave it at that

[Kaiser Leon]

Uhh no.. You can't even call level 1 shadowstrike a slowing spell. You just can't leave it at level 1 if you really want to slow your enemy.

[死亡音乐家]

The only problem with taking Sonic Wave early is a lack of mana. However, if you already have like Nulls to supplement, then of course, you shouldn't skip Sonic Wave.

PS: I don't see why you wouldn't have Nulls by the time you hit level 6...

This post has been edited by DeathMusician: 07 November 2009 - 11:47 PM

[Fishuman]

Each to his own I guess. I never seem to be able to afford that 250 mana cost so early on.

[Beat Up~!]

DeathMusician, on 08 November 2009 - 12:21 AM, said:

Now that we can scream every time we blink, QOP doesn't really need those extra hits you get in with SS slow. Personally, I take a level of SS sometimes when faced with more hardy opponents or when my team lacks stunners/could do with an extra slow. That SS slow can come in useful for your allies to finish enemies as well.Otherwise, I get stats and beef up my mana pool so as to be able to do a sonic wave and still have mana for blink-screaming.

Well, I think 1 level of SS doesn't hurt, and I usually do that too, but I just answered his question whether level 2 blink is enough, and that is a big NO.

What should be the first major item to buy for her?

[regulator_mk]

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Each to his own I guess. I never seem to be able to afford that 250 mana cost so early on.

If you plan a gank, you should be able to make sure you have enough mana to blink, scream and sonic wave. Just doing this once per cooldown can be much more successful than randomly trying to kill with just scream.

[RosasFantastica]

Beat Up~!, on 08 November 2009 - 01:49 AM, said:

Well, I think 1 level of SS doesn't hurt, and I usually do that too, but I just answered his question whether level 2 blink is enough, and that is a big NO.

What should be the first major item to buy for her?

IMO guinsoo is a priority

[dylandl]

I tend to get either linken's or aghanim's for her first item, guinsoo if possible.

If you're doing well, just get the ulti orb first then decide whether to convert to guinsoo or linken's later.

Orchid is not bad too.

This post has been edited by dylandl: 08 November 2009 - 05:36 AM

[Will.KL]

I love this hero. So fun to play. I think she deserves bump. Well my build is normal max scream and blink ulti 10+11+16 some stats and dot between ... depend on game. About items PT/BoT null wand bottle than it agains depend specter/link's/hex.... but i love when i get free farm Aegis + 2x DR is lot of win on her xDD. Anyway u know any hero that have similar gameplay? I need toughts..... (btw i am on winning spree with her 5 wins in row) xD


edit.... oh fuck i have lost.. my spree of 7 wins in row with this hero is over... fuck... ok time to play puck

This post has been edited by Will.KL: 25 January 2010 - 03:28 PM

[kssael]

Hero that comes close to QoP is Morphling, I guess, except without the slow. But he still has the nukes and power.

Fishuman, on 08 November 2009 - 02:27 AM, said:

Level one Sonic Wave is shit. I take first level of it at 10.

I agree on that. 250 mana for 290 damage with a slightly wider AOE and longer range compared to a level 3 Carrion Swarm dealing 250 damage for 140 mana AND 9 seconds cooldown makes QoP's ulti useless if you're spamming Blink+Scream.

[Kaiser Leon]

Hmm I dunno.. Is another level of Blink that much better than getting your ulti? (Assuming you went Blink, Scream, Scream, Blink, Scream for the first 5 levels). Yes you may, or may not have the mana to cast all 3 spells, but if given the circumstance that you needed an additional nuke, you'd be crying by not having your ulti.